Hybrid LLMs pair softmax attention with linear-attention layers such as Gated DeltaNet (GDN), whose recurrent state summarizes the context in fixed size. Early community 4-bit quantizations of Qwen3.8-27B (48 GDN layers, 16 attention layers) left the GDN block in 8- or 16-bit precision -- especially its decay and write-strength gates -- on the intuition that errors in a recurrence accumulate over long contexts. We test that intuition by building Minima: NVFP4 W4A4 on all 496 linear layers, GDN included. Across perplexity at 4K/32K, MMLU-Pro, GSM8K, AIME'25, GPQA-Diamond, LiveCodeBench, and RULER retrieval to 64K, Minima matches BF16 within seed noise (5-task average -0.52) while being the smallest (17.5 GiB) and fastest-prefill (+14-19%) recipe we compare, and its 32K perplexity gap shrinks with position. A four-part mechanism study explains why: (i) NVFP4's 16-element block scaling localizes the residual stream's extreme outliers, equalizing activation error across layer roles; (ii) the supposedly fragile gate projections are the least sensitive -- softplus/exponential and sigmoid parameterizations compress ~11% GEMM error to ~2% output error; (iii) the delta-rule recurrence holds injected noise at a flat plateau over 32K tokens and forgets a state impulse within hundreds of steps, because each write overwrites the state along the current key direction; (iv) the per-token quantization cost washes out with context instead of compounding. We also repair a global-scale mismatch that arises when per-module-calibrated NVFP4 checkpoints are served by kernels that fuse those modules into one GEMM, and show calibrated FP8 KV-cache scales are performance-free. The result: a practical recipe -- quantize everything, ship KV scales -- and a mechanistic account of why the recurrent half of a hybrid LLM is the easy half to quantize. Checkpoint: https://huggingface.co/minima-ai/mnma_qwen3.8_27b_nvfp4
Yishan Yao, Binjun Li, Hanling Yi +5cs.CL cs.AI cs.LG
NVFP4 is an efficient microscaling format for low-bit inference, but activation outliers can still degrade quantization accuracy within NVFP4 blocks. Within each quantization block, large activations can dominate the block scale, increasing the quantization error of the remaining values sharing the same scale. Existing post-training quantization (PTQ) methods mitigate outlier errors through strategies such as mixed precision, rotation, or residual compensation, but these approaches are either not specifically tailored to NVFP4 or introduce additional computation. In this work, we revisit NVFP4 from a channel-grouping perspective and define the reducible error incurred by remaining block values under the scale set by the block maximum as Collateral Quantization Error. Based on this insight, we propose OCGQuant, a post-training quantization method centered on Outlier-Companion Grouping (OCG), which adaptively pairs outlier channels with low-magnitude companion channels to improve NVFP4 activation block composition. Experiments on Llama3 and Qwen3 show that OCGQuant achieves the lowest WikiText-2 perplexity and highest average downstream accuracy among evaluated PTQ methods, while maintaining prefill speedup close to RTN and matching its peak decoding memory. Code is available at https://github.com/Eshamont/OCGQuant.
The NVIDIA Blackwell architecture, with native support for the ultra-fine-grained NVFP4 format, opens new opportunities for accelerating large language model (LLM) inference. NVFP4's micro-block design, such as a group size of 16, offers strong representational flexibility for capturing local weight distributions and isolating outliers, but it also introduces a large and highly sensitive space of per-group scaling factors. Existing post-training quantization (PTQ) methods primarily focus on refining quantized weight values, leaving this scale-selection step underexplored. To address this gap, we propose \textbf{H-Scale}, a lightweight post-processing method for NVFP4 per-group scale refinement. Instead of minimizing plain weight reconstruction error, H-Scale selects hardware-valid group scales using a diagonal second-order proxy derived from calibration activations, thereby targeting layer output perturbation more directly. It is designed as a drop-in replacement for RTN-style scale selection in diverse NVFP4 pipelines, requires only modest offline calibration, and introduces strictly zero overhead at inference time. Under a fixed evaluation protocol, experiments on mainstream LLMs show that H-Scale generally improves a broad range of NVFP4 baselines and brings several variants closer to the BF16 reference.