When Do Larger Batches Help Scale LLM Reinforcement Learning?

Larger batches reduce the variance of stochastic gradients per update and are therefore often expected to accelerate training. Yet whether this statistical benefit translates into lower wall-clock time-to-target remains unclear, because each update consumes more samples and may take longer to execute. We study this tradeoff in reinforcement learning for large language models. We separate its algorithmic and systems effects by comparing learning and execution along their natural axes. At the algorithmic level, we compare configurations at equal cumulative sample counts while retuning batch-dependent hyperparameters. Over a bounded range of batch sizes, this procedure yields an approximately batch-size-invariant family whose members follow similar sample-indexed learning trajectories. At the systems level, we exploit the computational asymmetry between rollout generation and training: autoregressive generation is often memory-bandwidth-bound at low concurrency, whereas training work scales approximately with the number of processed tokens. Combining these two views yields a direct decision rule: a larger-batch configuration reduces time-to-target only when its throughput gain exceeds its samples-to-target penalty. Experiments with GRPO and PPO support both sides of this decomposition. At the algorithmic level, square-root learning-rate scaling with Adam produces approximately batch-size-invariant learning curves over a bounded range of batch sizes. At the systems level, larger batches improve generation throughput by up to 2.29x on fixed hardware. In GRPO, combining higher throughput with learning-rate retuning reduces time-to-target by up to 29%, whereas increasing the batch without retuning is slower despite its higher throughput.

Optimal Learning Rate Scaling Depends on Data in Deep Scalar Linear Networks

In this short note we consider the gradient descent dynamics of deep scalar linear networks, $f(x) = \prod_{l=1}^L w_l x$, which enjoy exact time-course solutions for any integer depth. We show that even in this minimal model, the optimal depth-wise learning rate scaling depends on data, whereas data-agnostic scaling rules fail to transfer across depths. Under the data-dependent optimal scaling, the learning dynamics is independent of data and weakly dependent on depth, resulting in a constant linear convergence rate across all depths including infinity. We further show similar data-dependent effects in deep scalar linear networks with residual connections.

On the Nonlinearity of Learning Rate Scaling for LLM Training

Learning-rate transfer can reduce the cost of training large language models: instead of sweeping learning rates at target scale, practitioners extrapolate from smaller runs. Existing approaches often assume that the optimal learning rate follows a log-linear scaling law in data scale and model size. We carefully examine and evaluate this scaling law. In our empirical study of GPT-2--style models from 22M to 707M parameters trained on 5B to 100B tokens, the optimal learning rate develops upward curvature at larger scales, leading to inaccurate extrapolation. We find that this curvature largely disappears when learning rates are replaced by effective learning rate (the step size in normalized weight space), and when data $D$ extrapolation is used instead of model size $N$ extrapolation. Next, we explain nonlinearity in scaling: weight-norm converges to equilibrium slower when optimal learning is small, requiring a larger step size to reduce the transient phase. Experiments with AdamH, which directly controls the effective learning rate, further support this explanation.