Full-Stack FP4: Stable LLM Pretraining with Quantized Projections, Optimizers, and Attention
Siyu Ding, Mingchuan Ma, Jiabo Tong, Xingrun Xing, Ziming Wang, Guoqi Li
Abstract
Recent NVFP4 pretraining work has primarily optimized Transformer linear projections, leaving persistent optimizer states, optimizer computation, and low-precision attention forward--backward paths less explored. We present \textbf{Full-Stack FP4}, a modular NVFP4 framework with separate recipes for projections, AdamW states, Root/Muon computation, and attention. \textbf{LoRA-SVD} protects a compact projection subspace in BF16 while retaining full-shape NVFP4 computation, reducing the linear-only loss gap from \textbf{1.40\%} to \textbf{0.61\%}. An ordered square-root, tile-mean, and Hadamard pipeline enables stable NVFP4 AdamW momentum storage; shape-dependent coefficients and clipping stabilize direct NVFP4 Root iterations; and mixed-precision attention retains softmax-sensitive operations in BF16. On 3B pretraining with 64B tokens, BF16 and Full-Stack FP4 reach losses of \textbf{2.267} and \textbf{2.286}, a \textbf{0.838\%} gap. Their average zero-shot perplexities are 26.675 and 26.665, respectively, with Full-Stack FP4 averaging 0.10 percentage points lower in accuracy. Native four-block measurements on one RTX 5090 show 2.50--2.83$\times$ Root speedups over optimized BF16 and 37.9--42.5\% lower AdamW peak memory.
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