We uncover ELR collapse in language model pretraining: learning rate (LR) and parameter norm govern loss dynamics primarily through their ratio, the effective learning rate (ELR). When ELR is matched across runs, their loss trajectories collapse throughout training despite substantially different LRs and parameter norms. Across optimizers, architectures, datasets, and model scales, mean collapse errors are typically a few x 10^-3, below the seed-to-seed variation measured in a representative configuration. Systematic ablations identify normalization design and the timescale of LR-norm variation as key determinants of collapse precision. Controlled interventions further show that weight decay and Hyperball shape loss dynamics primarily through the ELR schedules they induce. Replacing LR with ELR enables a fitted functional scaling law (FSL) to transfer across norm-control methods. The resulting ELR-based FSL also explains delayed acceleration, a recurring effect of norm control. Together, these results establish ELR as a common coordinate linking LR scheduling, norm control, and loss dynamics.
Shuffle order can be a larger source of fine-tuning noise than a memoryless analysis predicts: fixed-clock optimizer memory makes local equal-multiset contrasts first order in the learning rate rather than second order, and the resulting order channel can be large enough for a single seed to flip a close A/B comparison. We isolate this mechanism and derive a fit-free way to size the noise it produces. For a memoryless optimizer, reordering an equal multiset has no first-order endpoint term; the leading local contrast is the $O(η^2)$ gradient bracket. Fixed-clock optimizers such as AdamW are different. Their moment buffers, preconditioner state, and de-biasing counters advance with the step index rather than with the learning-rate-scaled time $τ=ηk$, so the same gradient can receive a position-dependent endpoint weight. For any fixed finite measurement window, a lifted-state expansion gives an $O(η)$ equal-multiset contrast whenever the first-order replay coefficient is nonzero, while regular and clock-matched controls remain $O(η^2)$; a bare fixed-$β$ momentum buffer is already enough. A bitwise-deterministic replay from one warmed optimizer state isolates the mechanism, giving order-variance slopes 1.83 for AdamW, 2.00 for fixed-$β$ momentum, and 4.00 for SGD; matching the memory clock to $τ$ restores the regular exponent. For AdamW with a frozen preconditioner, the same impulse-weight kernel gives a closed-form asymptotic order-variance floor after the local potentials are measured, with no fitted coefficients. The result is local to the measurement window (independent reshuffling can average the channel across windows), but it yields order-noise error bars, positional attribution weights, and a seed-budget criterion for fine-tuning comparisons.
Hyperparameter transfer allows extrapolating optimal optimization hyperparameters from small to large scales, making it critical for training large language models (LLMs). This is done either by fitting a scaling law to the hyperparameters or by a judicious choice of parameterization, such as Maximal Update ($μ$P), that renders optimal hyperparameters approximately scale invariant. In this paper, we first develop a framework to quantify hyperparameter transfer through three metrics: (1) the quality of the scaling law fit, (2) the robustness to extrapolation errors, and (3) the asymptotic loss penalty due to choice of parameterization. Next, we investigate through a comprehensive series of ablations why $μ$P appears to offer high-quality learning rate transfer relative to standard parameterization (SP), as existing theory is inadequate. We find that the overwhelming benefit of $μ$P relative to SP when training with AdamW arises simply from maximizing the learning rate of the embedding layer. In SP, the embedding layer learning rate acts as a bottleneck that induces training instabilities; increasing it by a factor of width to match $μ$P dramatically smooths out training while improving hyperparameter transfer. We also find that weight decay improves the scaling law fits, while, in the fixed token-per-parameter setting, it hurts the robustness of the extrapolation.